By Nick Anders, disillusioned expat in Spain.
Thinking of living in Spain?
I’ve had enough, get me out of here – whatever your choice, the end result is the same. I’m leaving Spain to go back to the UK.
I moved to Spain to start a new life and at first I loved it but now I can’t wait to get out.
So you want to know what it is like living in Spain? Here goes!
There are lots of downsides to living in Spain and I just didn’t know about these when I moved to Spain.
I’ll tell you why living in Spain can be considered bad, I’ll list the problems and give you insights into the biggest mistakes expats make.
I’ve been living in Nerja which is a coastal town with nice sandy beach on the Costa del Sol of Spain, I won’t bore you with my tales of woe but I wanted to write this to let off some steam but also to warn anyone thinking of moving to Spain to be very careful.
At least move to Spain with your eyes wide open – aware of all the negatives about living in Spain.
An expats life in Spain can be really hard, a constant struggle, make sure you are prepared for all of this because you haven’t seen anything like this on A Place In The Sun and nobody involved in the property/estate agent business will ever warn you of the downsides and disadvantages to moving and living in Spain.
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Reasons I Want To Move Back to the UK
Living and Working in Spain
I moved to Spain for a better life. I hate how I now work harder in Spain than I ever did in the UK. I moved to Spain with savings of £15,000, now I have pretty much nothing but the shirt on my back.
I figured that with so many expats living in Spain that there must be a bundle of potential new business opportunities or companies looking for staff. I was so wrong!
I soon found out that jobs and opportunities in Spain were few and far between apart from the obvious ones.
Fact – I hate villa cleaning, I hate cleaning pools, I hate working in bars until 2 am waiting for the last drunken expat to leave, I hate building work in the baking midday sun.
The Word Manana
Like everyone else, I thought this was a funny joke at first. Every time a person in Spain – whether Spanish or British let me down I would grin and say manana like it was ok or normal. When I’m paying for a job I want it done as promised – and on time – or am I mad for expecting this?
Customer Service in Spain
What I hate in Spain is when I go into a shop and stand waiting while the assistant chats away to their friend or relative totally ignoring me and everyone else.
In this global economy you just can’t see the Spanish having a chance against the likes of American, British or Indian companies who are hungry and put customer service first.
Much of the time you are served when people feel like it, you get little help and assistance and often you are not even greeted at the counter – you greet them. It is like you are doing them a favour by shopping there!
I hate getting anything done in Spain. Often I end up going to the local town hall and being sent from one department to another where I am told conflicting advice. The paperwork and bureaucracy are horrendous. If you are coming to live in Spain bring a photocopier!
Getting Ripped Off in Spain
I hate that people prey on each other in Spain. Everyone seems so desperate that getting cheated is a story every expat I know can tell. I personally put a €8,000 deposit down on an apartment and the estate agent did a runner with my cash. God knows where they are now but I won’t stop looking until I find them.
Other common expat stories are ones such as being sold a property that was actually illegal, didn’t have planning permissions etc and often the people had a Spanish lawyer so they were not cutting corners and they still have lost their life savings.
Corruption is a problem in Spain and often there are stories in the newspapers about local town hall officials being involved in shady/illegal deals. Anything and I mean anything, can happen in Spain.
When I first moved to Spain the currency was the Peseta. The cost of living in Spain was low as most food and drink was cheap compared to northern Europe. Then the Euro came in and it seemed everyone took the opportunity to raise their prices – typical – now I think it could actually be possible – no I’m sure it is – that Spain’s cost of living is now higher than the UK!
When I go back to the UK I notice sales, discounts. When I go shopping in Spain, despite a so-called recession I don’t see shops dropping the prices, I don’t see special offers, I don’t see much evidence of competition between retailers. In my local supermarket when food goes out of date they don’t slash the price, instead, it stays on the shelf and so you have to be careful what you are buying.
Poor Roads/Facilities in Spain
I hate the lack of infrastructure in Spain. The motorways/autoroutes are superb as a lot of EU money has been given to Spain but locally our roads are terrible. The amount of tyres we go through because of holes in the road is ridiculous.
There is no drainage so when it rains heavily places get flooded and roads are washed away. Areas that used to soak up the water have been built on due to pure greed. The councils just don’t seem to invest back into the community, instead the money collected from me in taxes is blown up – literally – by stunning firework displays that even Disney would be proud of.
I wish I had never moved to Spain and I urge anyone else thinking of Spain seriously to consider my story, especially any young families who I see writing on the expat forums about how they can’t wait to move to Spain, how they are fed up with life in the United Kingdom etc – you don’t realise how lucky you have it! Don’t even think of moving to Spain if you have no money – it is not the cheap place to live that it used to be – the cost of living in Spain continues to match UK levels.
What they don’t read about are the thousands of young families who have moved to Spain and who would love to move back to the UK, if they only could afford to as they have no money. Or the ones who have moved back already having realised their mistake in moving to Spain in the first place.
If you are thinking about selling up and moving to Spain then my advice is, if you really MUST try living in Spain then don’t sell your house in the UK, don’t burn all your bridges, try live in Spain for 6 months or 1 year by renting a house for that length of time. Then you can truly decide and you can move back to the UK or wherever you came from originally without ruining your life. Sorry to sound so negative! Adios!
Editor’s note – This article is a reader’s opinion of life in Spain, it is not shared by us but it does represent the thinking of some people who currently live in Spain or of those who have subsequently moved back to their home country.
We are always being asked, is it good to live in Spain? We do encourage you to carefully consider your decision in advance, living in Spain has both pros AND cons and you need to balance these out, judging what is most important TO YOU in life. Remember that many expats absolutely love living in Spain. Read some responses to Nick’s opinion below and in our comments section and please do share this article and like it on Facebook.
Before we get to some replies to Nick, we have a special section for those of you who still want to move to Spain and have not been put off so far! We get so many questions on where the best place is to move to so we cover some of the frequently asked questions for you below. Don’t worry, most people love Spain!
Where is the best place to live in Spain (for expats) in 2024?
We simply cannot give you one town or city and tell you that is the best place to live in Spain because it does depend on your criteria and your likes and dislikes. We will however be able to give you some definite suggestions based on these preferences in the different sections below in which we narrow down the categories and nationalities of expats seeking to live in Spain on a permanent basis. In short, we give you all the pitfalls, pros and cons of living in different areas of Spain.
Many people ask questions such as what are the best places to live in Spain for 1 month, 2 months, 3 months or 6 months etc. Basically, if you are looking to live in Spain for a short time only then we suggest a busy area such as one of the cities or Costa del Sol or Costa Blanca where you can experience as much in a short time frame as possible. The Costa del Sol would be our pick – from here you can visit many places such as Seville, Cordoba, Ronda, Marbella, Malaga, Granada etc. while enjoying the Andalucian way of life, beaches etc.
Where do most UK expats live in Spain?
First, make the obvious choice between living in areas full of expats (most are British) or for truly trying to integrate with the Spanish which usually means living away from the busy coasts. By busy we mean Costa del Sol, Costa Blanca and to a lesser extent also Costa Almeria, Murcia and Costa Brava. If you do wish to live by the sea we suggest northern Spanish regions such as Galicia and Asturias (Costa Verde) or Costa Tropical, Costa del Azahar and Costa de la Luz.
Below we have a table with statistics from 2020 showing the most popular 12 nationalities living in Spain. Not on that list are also large numbers of Germans (Costa Blanca), Irish (Lanzarote and Tenerife), Americans (Madrid and Barcelona) and Scandinavian countries such as Norway and Sweden (Costa Blanca). As you can see a lot of South Americans come to live in Spain, mostly illegally. They come from poor countries to try get a better way of life for themselves and their families back home, unfortunately these usually very friendly people are often looked down upon by the Spanish.
The population of Spain is 47,431,256 to be exact or approximately 47 million people (and rising).
Country of Origin | Population |
---|---|
Spain | 46,450,795 |
Morocco | 935,089 |
Romania | 578,228 |
Colombia | 514,110 |
Ecuador | 416,527 |
Venezuela | 396,188 |
Argentina | 293,037 |
United Kingdom | 268,957 |
Peru | 244,827 |
France | 210,529 |
China | 208,788 |
Dominican Republic | 186,395 |
But really you want to be slightly inland. Prices drop as soon as you get into the countryside. Expats (especially the British) are few and far between and you will have to speak Spanish, the locals will appreciate any effort and will usually be patient to you. We like Extremadura, a beautiful ‘undiscovered’ region of Spain. Or how about some of the inland areas such as the Jalon Valley on the Costa Blanca where you can reach the coast in 20-30 minutes but still feel part of the ‘real’ Spain? On the Costa del Sol you have similar villages such as Frigiliana and Benahavis (although there are plenty of expats in both).
Be careful to think about getting older. As idyllic as a house in the countryside sounds, what about when you get older and maybe cannot drive? Public transport is often minimal in Spain. How far away is the nearest medical centre and supermarkets?
If you want to know the best places to live in Spain for British people or for expats then you want to be in areas that have international schools which attracts families. We suggest Costa Blanca towns such as Javea, Moraira or Calpe, all are beautiful with great beaches. Benidorm if you want cheap food and drink and nightlife. On the Costa del Sol you have Marbella, Malaga and Puerto Banus. The Costa del Sol is the wealthiest area attracting the rich and famous. The climate is the best of mainland Spain and you can even ski just two hours away at Sierra Nevada, perfect! The inland Andalucian towns and villages such as Ronda and Mijas Pueblo are very pretty. If you are looking for the best villages to live in Spain these are definitely up there with the best.
What about living on the Spanish Balearic islands such as Ibiza, Mallorca and Menorca? They are lovely islands but you can get island fever where you want to get away and you feel enclosed. You will be in fairly near proximity to tourist resorts so the island will fill up in the summer months and potentially be overcrowded. We would prefer the mainland so we can jump in the car and explore different terrain and regions but that is our opinion.
What about living on the the Canary islands of Gran Canaria, Tenerife and Lanzarote? Well similar to above but at least these islands have a consistent temperature all year round being situated off the coast of Africa. Even in summer they tend to be around 25 degrees Celsius and in winter only a little less with days in January mostly having temperatures in the early twenties. They are however much less green and scenic than the Balearic islands and much of mainland Spain. Many expats choose these islands but do beware of getting island/cabin fever.
Where is the safest place to live in Spain? Zoe Conlong wrote in to say: “I have lived in Spain for over 21 years. Inland is definitely the safest place to be, the infrastructure is superb, locals are friendly, schools are excellent, however, you must be prepared to learn the language and integrate! I live in Ontinyent, 40,000 inhabitants approx.”
Tony Burgess writes: “Brexit may scupper many Brits retirement plans.”
Peter Brian Gillon recommends: “Benejuzar Alicante, we have a place there, so underrated, must admit my wife and I wondered if we’d made the right decision at first, very few expats, not to be disrespectful but that’s what we wanted, now, not one regret, Spanish locals so friendly and accommodating, we laugh trying our Spanish and they, their English, such a beautiful place surrounded by orange groves and neighbouring farmer supplies our oranges free after every crop picked. Can’t wait to become a permanent resident there.”
Where Do Most British People Live in Spain?
According to popular website Statista.com, the 10 most popular autonomous communities for British residents in Spain are:
- Andalusia – 88,233 British residents (includes Costa del Sol with popular cities such as Malaga, Marbella, Torremolinos & Fuengirola)
- Valencia – 85,025 (includes Costa Blanca with popular towns and cities such as Alicante, Benidorm and Valencia)
- Canary Islands – 28,723 (includes Gran Canaria, Lanzarote and Tenerife)
- Catalonia – 23,940 (includes Barcelona)
- Balearic Islands – 17,953 (includes Menorca, Mallorca & Ibiza)
- Murcia – 16,625
- Madrid – 11,605
- Galicia – 2,315 (north of Spain)
- Basque Country – 1,676 (borders France)
- Asturias – 1,135
What are the cheapest places to live in Spain?
If you need to get a job in Spain in order to survive, we have some bad news because you will have to live in the most expensive areas to live. Most jobs will be the major cities or in the populated Costas such as Costa del Sol and Costa Blanca. These are very developed areas filled with well-off foreigners and prices are usually higher than remote countryside areas with little English-speaking people.
If you are a retiree with a choice of living anywhere in Spain then you need to seriously look at the lowest cost of living. We have a whole page on where is the best place to retire in Spain. If you still want to live by the sea Spain has an awful lot of coastline so you can easily avoid the Costa del Sol, and Costa Blanca.
How about northern ‘green’ Spain such as Galicia which has wonderful cities such as Santiago de Compostela. It is however the wettest region of Spain but it is cheap for property and eating out. We also like the coastal cities of Santander and San Sebastian on the northern coast of Spain.
What are the best cities to move to in Spain?
If you are going to move to a city then surely you should live in the biggest busiest cities such as Madrid and Valencia in our opinion. The third biggest city is Valencia but that is like a small town when compared to the big two.
So which one?
Reasons to move to and live in Madrid would be the culture as it has three major art museums and the nightlife is vibrant. The capital city can, however, be freezing in winter and baking hot in August when most residents leave for the coast, which is a long-distance away.
Our choice for the best city to live in Spain would be Barcelona because it is as big as Madrid but it has more tourist attractions and arguably a more mixed and vibrant expat scene. It is literally by the beach and close to mountains (the Pyrenees) for skiing.
Living in Spain in the Winter
For many people, particularly pensioners, Spain is the ideal place to choose when looking to escape the nippy UK winters. It is arguable that the Canary Islands are the best destination to spend your time in given that they’re located so much further South than Spain’s mainland. If lucky, the coldest months of the year can get up to 20 or 21 degrees Celsius, whereas if you choose to spend your time living in for example Madrid, you’d be dealing with cold 10-12 temperature degrees at best. If you were set on choosing to retire or move to the mainland, the Costa del Sol coast is the way to go; you’d be enjoying 14-15 degree warm weather making sightseeing during the winter completely do-able while also benefiting from the smaller crowds.
Living in Spain during the winter doesn’t require a far-fetched budget. When looking for affordability as well as the ideal temperature, Malaga has the best of both worlds. Being in Andalusia, its temperature is pleasant all year around and long term rentals are absolutely reasonable. Malaga offers culture such as the famous Picasso museum, beautiful beaches and the close proximity of so many other amazing Costa del Sol destinations one can enjoy on a day out.
As mentioned previously, the Canary Islands attract many with its fantastic weather. As a result of lots of competition, long term rentals and lets on the islands are very affordable. The best and most cost-effective of the islands are Tenerife and Gran Canaria. Due to their popularity, airlines have even increased their number of flights for Britons going out to the islands, which makes getting out there easier and cheaper as well.
What are the best places to live in Spain for Americans?
We have pretty much answered the question in the section above because the two biggest cities of Madrid and Barcelona have the largest American populations in Spain and many large multinational companies have headquarters or offices here which is ideal for getting work in Spain when you speak little Spanish.
Response From Silvia as a Spanish Expat in the UK!
I’d like to give my point of view as a Spanish expat in UK.
The problem comes when you move to another country without enough information about the place. When I came to UK I spent months searching information about the country and its people. Because I really wanted to fit in. And I think a lot of British don’t do that when they move out to Spain. They spent their holidays in Spain and they think they know the country. I had been in London before but I knew that it wasn’t the same. The life as a tourist is totally different than the life as a citizen.
And, to be honest, after all this time I don’t know where I prefer to live. There are bad and good thing in both countries. But I want to focus in what you said in your post.
Jobs:
– Spain: Really?? Didn’t you speak with a Spanish person before you moved to Spain?? Any Spanish had told you about the problems we have in Spain with this. And it’s not only about find a job, it’s when you get one what conditions you’re going to have: low salary, a lot of extra unpaid hours….
– UK: I’m graduated and I have several experience years in my sector but I was working for 2 years making sandwiches why?? Because my English wasn’t good enough. And when it improved, it took a lot of time to have a better job, because I had experience but not in UK. So I had (and I still have) to fight for my opportunity. Because I have to prove I’m a better option than a native or someone from another place. I have to fight against the topic “Spanish are lazy people thinking in anything but take siestas and eat paella”
I worked more hours here than in Spain. 56 hours is just illegal in Spain…. the good thing is: UK they pay every single hour you work.
A bad thing in UK is when you get sick, for example. They don’t pay you, even if you had an accident at work and you’re sick or injured because of it.
I remember I had to work having a terrible flu because I couldn’t afford stay at home. Another time I cut my finger so deeply with a knife at work and I had to keep working bleeding!!! Do you know how dangerous is that a sick person makes sandwiches for customers? But I, as many other people, had to do it because we have to pay our rent.
Crime:
– Spain: It’s true, the crime in Spain increased lately because of the crisis. You have to watch your belongings because of the pickpockets. And obviously, when you’re going to pay for something (as a deposit) you have to be sure you are giving the money to a formal agency. Scammers are in all the countries. But usually Spain is safe as the statistics say. We have a lot of police patrolling the streets.
– UK: One thing that surprised me about UK it’s that the windows of houses don’t have grilles; the doors are made with wood and glass, easy to kick and open. At first I thought it was because it was safer here, people aren’t going to get in your house and steal your staff. But not….that wasn’t the true. Your can be stolen at any time. Actually, there were 3 burglaries in my building in a year. And you could think “London is a place with a large amount of immigration, maybe that’s the reason”. Well, I have to say that the police caught the thieves, and 2 of the 3 occasions, they were English.
About the police, I don’t see them, they don’t patrol the street. They come up when something happens, but they’re not watching that nothing happen really. So I can see a lot of young people offering weed in every corner of the high street. And the fights in the street are something normal every single weekend….
Mañana:
– Spain: I really don’t believe someone doesn’t make the job you’re paying for. I just don’t believe it….In Spain there is something called: “consumo”. If you paid for something and you don’t receive it you have to go to consumo and they’ll fix it. Companies and self-employed don’t want a penalty from consumo, that’s for sure.
– UK: In UK, I worked in something related with construction, remodelling houses. You can’t imagine how many times I saw a work unfinished or wrong done when the customer paid a lot of money for it, and he just didn’t have what he paid. And you cannot do anything, because in this country “consumo” doesn’t exist. So if you want your money back you have to take that people to the court and spend a lot of money, and that is so unfair.
Another example, recently I moved to another house, and I was shaking because I remember how hard is here to get your internet supply. And I wasn’t wrong. I need internet for work, I contracted one of the most expensive internet providers and the instalation of optic fibre for that company was already done in this house. Well….It took for them 1 month to come to my house to plug the router. According to them this was something only its staff could do, so they weren’t going to send me the router to plug it for myself. The real reason was it charges me 10 pounds for the technical’s visit and they told me it was an offer because normally it was 40 pounds…..come on….
Customer service:
– Spain: that’s true, customer service in Spain sucks. It seems like they are making you a favour….and it’s something I hate from Spain. Companies don’t care about his employees, they pay a low salary, employees work a lot of hours, some of them unpaid, and this has repercussions in customer services. It’s a pity.
– UK: Normally, at least in London, the customer service is good. Except for GP and hospital receptionist; doctors and nurses are really charming but the staff in the reception 90% of times are rude and impatient.
Getting ripped off:
– Spain: The thing is I can’t speak about this in Spain, I don’t have any experience and I don’t know anyone that was in that situation, even my foreign friends. Maybe because I know the country and the language and it’s difficult for them try to rip me off. I don’t doubt that this happen as everywhere.
– UK: As in Spain I don’t have the experience to be ripped off in UK, but I know some people who do. They were cheated when they were trying to rent a flat or a room. And this is something so usual in London. I read about that before I came here and it’s for that I’m very careful when I want to rent something.
They main problem here are the landlord, you can be very careful but if you have a bad landlord it’s difficult to do something. And I lived and I heard terrified stories about some landlord and their houses.
Poor road/facilities.
– Spain: In this point, I totally disagree with you. I’ve driven in both countries and in many areas of them, and I have to say that Spanish road have a high quality if you compare them with France ones or England ones. Obviously, you live in a village, you can’t expect the same road in Madrid (6 million hab.) with Nerja (21.000 hab). Some local road to connect villages to each other or a village with a main motorway could be worst. But the government just cannot invest in the best road for every single village in Spain, it’s just impossible; it’s a big country with a lot of small villages. I’ve travelled through Europe and I have seen lots of villages with dirt roads instead of highways and that it doesn’t happen in Spain, even in the smallest village in the middle of a mountain…
About the floods, that is something so difficult to fix because of the ground. That area is not used to getting so much water suddenly, and when it happens the ground can’t take it, even if it has the best sewage system. Something like that happened some weeks ago in Paris, so imagine in a village. But it doesn’t happen in the north of Spain for instance, because the ground used to get lots of water as in England.
– UK: Do you know how many council tax I pay in London? Like 5 times what I used to pay in Spain. Apparently it’s not enough to fix the streets. Every single tile in my street is not in its place, so I see every day people fall in the street because of this. The streetlight in front of my house is broken for 4 months, I’ve called 3 times to the council and it’s still broken.
The sign indicating the name of the street, two streets away from mine, fell down a month ago and god knows when they’re going to fix it.
And a special mention to the rubbish truck, which comes once every 2 weeks to take the rubbish. I know this country is not hot and the rubbish doesn’t smell as it does in hot countries but it brings rats and the foxes are fighting for the rubbish every night. And I’ll say the price we pay for the rubbish collection is far too cheap.
One good point, public transport is expensive but it works so well and I love it.
I don’t want to compare both countries, because it doesn’t make sense. They are just different, if you want to live in one of them you have to assume the change and be part of the community.
I love my country and I think Spain have something special that everybody likes and I love England and I see special thing here as well.
I know some Spanish and Italian people here and they always say “I want to go back to Spain/Italy”, and I don’t have that feeling. When I’m here in UK I miss Spain, the weather, my people, my food. And when I go to Spain, at first I’m happy, but then after a couple of days, I start to feel sad because I miss UK, I realized I miss the same things: the people, the food, even I miss the language.
The point is, my friends want to go back because they didn’t want to be part of the English culture, so they are fighting every day to keep their culture, to not change anything. They idealize their countries and forget why they decided to leave it. And when they finally return, most of them realise it’s not what they thought.
Is Spain a Good or Bad Place to Live? Shirley Loves Living in Spain!
Many people ask what are some of the best things about living in Spain?
Below we have a response to the article from Shirley who has a house in Ontinyent:
“After reading your article from Nick from Nerja, I would expect that you received many emails in reply.
I realise that life has become more difficult for many during this recession, and Britain is no different from Spain. I don’t know when Nick was in the UK last, but around half the shops in our town in South Wales have closed down, and many families are struggling to get by after being made redundant. I work as an estate agent, and we are getting several repossessions every week and house prices are not increasing, as a lot of people believe.
I wonder if Nick learned to speak Spanish before he moved out to Spain, as I would imagine it is quite difficult to get work anywhere that you don’t speak the language. He didn’t say what work he did in the UK or in Spain.
I have been learning Spanish for a few years now and wouldn’t expect to get work in Spain, other than by working for Brits, doing things like cleaning apartments and pools. How would a Spaniard fare in Britain getting work if he didn’t speak English?
I feel that the Costa del Sol is probably a much different place to live than the Costa Blanca in many ways and I’m not sure Nick is qualified to comment on the Costa Blanca uncovered newsletter! One of the reasons we avoided the South of Spain was that it’s closer to Africa and has more crime. I wonder how much research Nick did before choosing an area to live in Spain.
We don’t know any Brits in our area, although we don’t live there, and I don’t kid myself that we could move out and make a good living, certainly not in this economic climate. I also think that moving out with just 15k savings is a very risky thing to do!
We have had no bad experiences of being cheated by anyone, and have made some wonderful friends. I am always happy with the service I get in local shops and restaurants, although I do agree that certain things are more complicated, like dealing with the council etc.
But then there is no litter in our town, no discarded chewing gum stuck all over the pavements, and NO drunken louts fighting in town on a Saturday night out. My 21 year old daughter was recently assaulted on a night out in our home town in Wales, and head-butted in the face, by a complete stranger, another girl, completely unprovoked while walking down the street with some friends.
As for Manana, when we went to buy some air conditioning in July from a small retailers, they turned up, as agreed, the following day, and worked until late until the job was finished, which wasn’t what we expected after all the stories we heard!
We recently had a problem with our internet in the UK, and were told by our supplier that we needed a new modem, would arrange an appointment for their technician to call to replace it. We asked if they could send a replacement by post but were told no. They couldn’t give a specific time, but booked a morning appointment between 8am and 12 noon.
My partner took a morning off work to be there. No one turned up, and when he rang them, they said that there had been a fault in our area at the time of our complaint, so they had cancelled the appointment (without bothering to tell us!) When he pointed out that it still wasn’t working, they said they would send us a new one, which was what we originally asked for but were refused!
I might also mention that our fuel bills at present are £60 a month for electricity, £80 a month for gas (due to increase again soon), and £45 a month for water. My council tax bill here £120 a month compared to 189 euros a YEAR in Spain.”
Regards
Shirley
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Deb says
I can’t believe some of these comments! I have had exactly the opposite experience living in Spain.
While there are people in every country who will try to rip you off, the only people I’ve been caught out by were British ex-pats shortly after we came to live here 23 years ago. The vast majority of Spaniards have been courteous, kind, friendly, and helpful.
The worst people in Spain are the immigrants, ie: ANYONE who lives here but is not Spanish, and who will never believe they are ‘foreigners’ in this wonderful country. They believe that ‘foreigners’ don’t look like them… roll my eyes.
And don’t get me started on those immigrants who have lived here for years and don’t speak a word of Spanish, and have no intention of learning. They’re usually the first people to criticise immigrants in their own country for not learning their native language.
Also, people like Nick who say things like, ‘Trouble is Spain is very close to some very poor African countries and there are lots of poor immigrants, mostly illegal and from places such as Eastern Europe, South America and Morocco, who will do anything to survive.’
Seriously? You think the majority of crime in Spain is committed by ‘poor immigrants’?
And to you, Rachel, your comment that most Spanish have moved out of Spain is laughable!
Adios to you both when you go back to the UK. Can’t happen quick enough.
Jonathan Rees says
I live in Madrid where the people are lovely, the bars and restaurants great and there is plenty to do. However, barring these benefits there are plenty of problems in the country. The economy is a mess with the government lavishing money on lazy funcionarios (civil servants), as well as pensioners. Autónomos (private workers) are taxed within an inch of their lives to pay for the funcionarios and retired people and the result is high unemployment, especially for young people are forced to find work abroad. Asides from hotel and catering industry I, sadly, don’t trust Spaniards to do a decent job of things. If you have a problem with an item you’ve bought it’s difficult dealing with customer service and recently I’ve confined myself to Amazon. If you need a handyman or a reputable builder they’re often impossible to find as many young people would prefer to earn less and work in an office. That’s not to say that other countries don’t have their problems but Spain, like lots of southern European countries seems to excel in pretending everything’s okay when it’s not.
Dorian says
Hola!
A brief comment here. You probably know better than I, but as an american who studied on exchange back in the 90s in Stockholm, I had lots of Spanish and Catalan friends/fellow exchange student classmates, and learned a lot about the country, fell in love with it.
The Spanish students, both the chicas and chicos would occasionally mention that they hated the stereotype of ‘manana… manana…’ attributed to them and their country.
I know these young people studied hard, worked hard. (and have enjoyed all my visits to that country).
I think it’s a disservice to continue this stereotype. I think Spain has done well economically over the past 30 years, despite everything done ‘manana’ as you say.
Working as a cleaner, bartender may not also expose oneself to the best side of a people/country (though those folks also work hard). As one comment earlier said, you seem to have a lot of anger, but one should look inward first.
Joel says
Estoy de acuerdo en comentarios y opiniones, pero como Español ciudadano que soy, y con orgullo, te informo de que tú artículo, menosptecia el estado, nación o reino en sus pluralidades, por tu experiencia totalmente entendible. Pero creo que en vez de poner el título de, “ODIO ESPAÑA” no sólo te pasas, si no que destruyes lo poco que a los civiles de pueblo, nos queda.
Por si no queda claro, el pueblo español, está gritando AYUDA a los compañeros. Y aquí nadie ve como nos tienen.
Aleopa says
We recently moved to Spain with my partner 3 months ago for our so called ‘staycation’. We would like to stay for a year or so. I didn’t know any Spanish (I speak 4 langs but not Spanish) but my partner knows Spanish from school and so we were able, thanks to him, to go by quite well. And some Spaniards speak English very well too like in a bank, or at a lawyer’s office. The most important was getting the NIE and then find a place to live (we live in a rented apartment in Costa Del Sol now, and buy a car. And it is a little stressful. I just got my permanent residence for 5 years 2 days ago (you have to get this ‘green card’ if you plan to stay for more than 3 months even if you come from another EU country) while he still has to wait for 1 more month for his. His process is different because he is not from a EU country. I find the people here very friendly, it almost made me cry because I feel like I still cannot return my kindness back in a way I would want to as of now. I’m very shy and anxious when meeting new people (especially in another country) like a lawyer, going to a bank or police station for the NIE number, even when going shopping to a supermarket, or any other kind of social interactions. So therefore I’m staying distanced whenever I can but everyone should know that Spaniards are very friendly and nice people overall. I will need more time to relocate and learn more Spanish (which I’m doing now) because using only English (which is not my native language either) in Spain will probably not be enough in the future. BTW I love Spanish and the way it sounds) and until then I am hopping that they won’t feel disappointed with me and or sad or feel hurt in any way, because with me it’s all about being a shy and anxious person who needs more time to start acting like them. Believe me it’s the hardest thing I’m going through now. Everything else is fine. My partner is actually way forward with everything. He used to be a manager and has worked with different people all his life. He is used to daily social interactions and enjoys it. And knows Spanish well and even English is his native mother language. We have our stable monthly income and enough savings to support us financially. So money isn’t problem.
What I really love is these green parrots all over the place even tho I read that Spanish people don’t like them very much due to their nests and noises, then the ocean view is beautiful of course, mountains all over the place, the food is wonderful in Spain, and more. The weather has been too hot for me during the summer months but it’s getting better now and I can’t wait to enjoy my first warm-ish winter in Spain. It’s going to be first winter without snow and cold air which is what I was looking forward to for a long time.
Love you Spain❤️! And sorry for being too shy sometimes but I’ll work on it.
Campero says
“I used to frequently visit Spain costa del sol and Almeria. I found 95% of the people in the service industry rude and unhelpful “:
Really, have you been in 100% of the hotels in Spain?
“I’ve since discovered Thailand and it is the very opposite in every aspect of what Spain is.”:
I agree with you. I hope you have fun in Thailand and don’t get any diseases.
Ken Walker says
Too many poorly educated, unskilled, naive English people who know little Spanish beyond asking for a couple of beers move to Spain. They then spend their days failing to integrate in any way and moaning that Spain isn’t England with sunshine.
If people think Spain is the promise-land where all their dreams will come true then it’s more a reflection of their stupidity than anything else.
Those who make an effort to learn the language and culture, and have something to offer will fit in no problem and enjoy living in Spain.
peter timothy hill says
agree with you here. integration is key.
Dorian says
I also agree with you. On another post, I noted that I studied some years ago in Sweden, together with Spanish erasmus students. I found that the Spanish are some of the warmest, nicest folks in europe (I’m american).
Davey says
Tbh I’ve got to agree with a lot of what the author says. I used to frequently visit Spain costa del sol and Almeria. I found 95% of the people in the service industry rude and unhelpful (as if they were doing me a favour shopping or eating in their establishments)
I’ve since discovered Thailand and it is the very opposite in every aspect of what Spain is. It’s incredible climate , genuine smiles and warmth of everyone I speak to , unbelievably good value property rental , air conditioning with fans in every Airbnb & hotel with no limits.
If anyone wants to go the extra mile and not sheepishly jump on the spain bus there are MUCH better countries to either holiday or emigrate to. I’d even put Germany , Holland or France way ahead of spain as either objective.
Frank says
So, you think that Thailand is all genuine smiles and warmth, everybody is kind and nice? It seems that way only because you don’t understand Thai!
Spencer Fletcher says
Sounds like you are a lazy bloke with no vision. Living in fear isn’t what Spain is about.
I’m Australian, and Spain is ok. It’s better than the UK which has font to the dogs.
There is an ocean of money out there you just need to tap in to it,
Open your eyes. The time it took you to write that dross, I have found opportunity in Spain.
Good luck in the UK you’re going to need it.
Spencer
Jon says
I have learnt that Britain is quite disliked in Spain, Brexit made it worse.
We are only welcome as 2 categories :-
1) Low paid workers.
2) When the British are spending good quantities of money here.
We as British living in Spain need to be when they cannot do it themselves. Then exploit this.
I have 2 kids here, gained shared custody. Then the ex and her friends destroyed my reputatation. She is a manager in the company I used to work, with a much much higher salary than my colleagues which my manager regularly told me in reviews after the separation.
We should whatever forum and maybe even video calls for people that are vulnerable or need help following seperations involving kids.
Don’t let them grind us down.
WelcometoSpain says
As Spanish I should say:
Spain has laws, if you don’t like them, don’t come.
We don’t know your story but you use it to attack an entire country.
By the way, here we don’t hate England at all, and we don’t look at what each foreigner comes to, like the thousands of migrants we welcome in Spain every year, and you know what? We don’t put them in a giant ship in the middle of the sea so they don’t bother you, does this ring a bell? you should be ashamed
Amanda says
Well said…… we have lived in Spain for 18 years and feel honoured to be here, we run our own business and do not spend our days in bars drinking like some brits do. We went back to the UK for four days… Cornwall it looked run down in parts, customer service non existent in restaurants and cafes…. they act as tho they are doing you a favour serving you!!!, everyone looked miserable and hardly anyone said hello. Could not wait to get home to Spain.
Dan says
This guy is a total loser. Spain is the best country on the planet, the UK is the worst. Guess where this clown prefers to live. I stopped reading after a couple of paragraphs. Life’s too ******* short!!
morgan says
I read this and wondered if this is the same Spain I have been fortunate to move to post-Brexit. I have encountered nothing but warmth from all the Spanish people I meet, and doing business here is a bit slower than in the UK but it is not cumbersome and you learn to slow down and adapt (adapt or die).
I feel 100% safe here, the quality of living is way higher than in the UK (life is not just about money – take a walk out at night and see the joy of children playing with their friends, watch the families gather weekly on the beach – from the gran to the newest child as an example). .
I also live between the UK and here and without a doubt the UK is far more expensive (try taking the train anywhere), try going to the supermarket and seeing the prices there and let’s not forget how costly utilities are.
I love both countries but give me Spain any day.
Sharon Arnold says
You are right god knows what these **** ****** are on about going back to England if they think Spain is expensive then they are absolutely wrong ever thought about the War having an impact on every country I am English so I know what I am on about and you think England will be better ah da no. Wake up and smell the coffee good luck in England that has always been the most expensive country plus you are vulnerable coming out of the Brexit sorry but England is the best joke all around the world
david says
Programmes like “A Place in the Sun” depict a totally false picture of living in Spain so do not be fooled. The climate is generally lovely and if you crave sunshine and cheap beer it is definately a good choice. If you have kids forget it. The bullying at school is terrible ( almost a sport ) and afterwards there is zero chance of finding a job. Rightly or wrongly Spaniards come first in Spain and the counrty has the begging bowl out to the EU all the time. Brexit hasn’t helped matters and it has taken Spain nearly 3 years to sort the driving licence issue out. Soemhow they tagged it the Gibraltar issue but all is sorted now. If you plan to retire to Spain be aware there are no state care homes. You’re on your own unless you go private which is very expensive. remenber once you opt out of the UK system and become Spanish Resident there’s no easy way back. A permanent move needs very careful consideration. Rent for 6-12 months and see if you can cope.
pepe says
Claro que sí David, basarte en una serie de TV para toar una decisión que cambia 100% tu vida solo puede ser tomada por un … como lo dirías …absolute fool?
Espero que la terapia de grupo de Oh, sufrimos tanto los inmigrantes ingleses…poor us!
Una palabra: RYANAIR.COM
Paco says
I am Spanish from the region where this lad was, Nerja (Andalucía).
People in Spain is very different across the country. Specially in Andalucía.
I know very well that, because Id been living between Balearic and Andalucía, and people are completely different in many ways.
I live now in UK. Spain no future. Price are more expensive in Spain than UK, but the wages is massive difference, if this trend is not cutting down, living is Spain is going to be tougher than ever, as it already is. Generally, Spanish like comunnist and socialism, now the country is on this way to savage Shitty wages, and exorbitant crazy prices. ¿Is Spain transforming like a new Venezuela?
Curro Jiménez says
“Prices are more expensive in Spain than the UK”, LOL.. For sure buddy,
I think you have not lived in the UK or Spain or tou are lying if you say that because it is completely false.
In Spain electricity, water, food, houses, EVERYTHING is cheaper than in England, although in England wages are higher, yes
So, you should inform yourself before or stop lying.
Frank says
Sure! The grass is always greener elsewhere. Twenty years ago, I was feeling the same way. After twenty years in the UK, you will see Spain differently.
Steve says
Nick Anders article is the biggest load of bilge I’ve read in a while and assuming it is just ‘clickbait’. Let’s hope he buggers off out of Spain where he can moan about the next place he lives.
Joel says
I came across this webpage and had reactions ranging from smiling to raging. I am not sure what to think about Nick who hates the country but has been here since the peseta was in circulation. Really?
To give some perspective, I started watching “Ten Pound Poms” on a streaming service, about the British who emigrated from UK to Australia after the second world war. I had a look at wikipedia to learn more about it. Reported that half the Brits who went to Australia returned before the 2 year “probation period” (meaning they had to pay a huge fee for their return to compensate for the £10 they paid to go to Australia). But more surprising is the reporting that HALF of the half that returned then went back to Australia.
Been listening to Joni Mitchell lately: you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone.
I am an American, who has lived in London for more than 25 years and spent half the year in Spain for the past 6 years. I cannot imagine moving to a country where I don’t speak the language. I am lucky because my partner is Spanish so I have an in and get a lot of insight into Spain, and have ready made friends.
We recently considered moving to Portugal for tax reasons, but I speak 2 phrases in Portuguese. Also, the life there is so slow and laid back that I think we might kill each other (I love it for vacations though).
In my experience there are all kinds of Spaniards. However, I have found they are the most social people in the world (that does vary a bit around Spain), and with a bit of kindness and humility they can be great friends, neighbours and service providers. Once we had to the local town hall to get the circulation permit for a car. The woman was grumpy and visibly annoyed that she was going to be going home soon. A little charm and humour from my partner and we sat there talking for more than an hour.
I learned many years ago (but maybe don’t practice enough) to go with some humility and ask for help. I learned this in the UK. Sarcasm may be self satisfying but it is pretty much guaranteed to thwart your intentions.
And when I have horror stories of workmen (builders) I have to remind myself that I went into deep depression in London over a building project. My niece in Germany ended up in court several times over building projects, a friend’s friend basically gave up a property in Italy after bad works, and all my friends have horror stories from the USA as well.
The joy of moving to another country is realising the differences, questioning your own preconceived notions, and celebrating the differences. Don’t move to Portugal and complain about no decent tacos. In that case stay in Texas! (I read a whole blog on this)
And yes I will still have whinges with my niece about our respective adopted countries, but I try to do it from a sense of “wonderment” about the differences.
Eric says
Jesus chrsit tell us how you really feel about immigrants you Trumpanzee
Ana says
Im spanish, currently living in Valencia but lived in UK for 18years. Seems you are holding so much anger against a country! seriously, I faced serious challenges in Uk (e.g. having a robbery into the house scariest time of my life never happened to me in Spain) but still Im thankful for many thinks I learned in England and I cant blame an entire country for not adapting well! glad you left!!